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Do you still think GalCiv 1 is fun even with GalCiv II out?
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Gal Civ 1.1 scoring change vs. 1.10
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#25  by Veteran kryo - 10/29/2003 10:50:37 AM

Hmmm. I'll have to try resubmitting one of my 1.10s to see about that.
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#26  by Veteran Primipilus Alexus - 10/29/2003 10:53:26 AM

it didn't show the change when I clicked on my game list


Had you already submitted it twice?

Alex




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#27  by Veteran kryo - 10/29/2003 11:06:41 AM

That is indeed what's going on it looks like. I dug up an old med/maso save and refinished it--it resubbed at just shy of 57k, when it was originally right around 30k (not sure exactly what it originally was since I accidentally wrote down the score from the tiny just above it )

                        
#28  by Citizen Gyb - 10/29/2003 11:13:27 AM

Good thing I haven't kept most of my old saves, otherwise the temptation would be pretty strong to go resubmit them all.

This is going to really skew the metaverse if not adressed.

                      
#29  by Citizen musicfan55 - 10/29/2003 11:43:00 AM

So have we decided that the resubmission of 1.10 games under 1.11 gives much higher scores than starting and finishing a game in 1.11? Is this only for maso?

Does anyone think they can start and finish a maso large in 1.11 and get 60k or say 57k from a medium maso - started and finished in 1.11? Stay tuned. . .

                          
#30  by Veteran kryo - 10/29/2003 11:50:52 AM

Does anyone think they can start and finish a maso large in 1.11 and get 60k or say 57k from a medium maso - started and finished in 1.11? Stay tuned. . .


That's not going to happen. I've already put in a pure 1.11 med/maso and couple of large/masos, for 37k and 45k respectively. The problem is with 1.10 resubmissions or games started on 1.10 and finished under 1.11. I've already told Cari about it and she passed word on to Brad to see about doing something to keep people from exploiting this.
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#31  by Citizen musicfan55 - 10/31/2003 12:06:13 PM

Darth. Congratulations on all the games recently. You are really dedicated. Thanks for the information. This is what I was looking for. I am getting 60k on gigantic masos under 1.11 when I got 58k and 59k under 1.10 so it is hard for me to tell right now.

It appears then that starting on 1.10 and submitting under 1.11 is the wrinkle in the metaverse that causes those 50% boosts in scoring. Otherwise, at least on maso, it looks like a game started and finished in 1.11 gives maybe a 5% boost in scoring over 1.10. Do others agree?


                          
#32  by Veteran Theoden of Rohan - 10/31/2003 12:07:45 PM

That's what I'm seeing Rick.

                          
#33  by Veteran kryo - 10/31/2003 12:25:00 PM

That is indeed the problem. And call me kryo, Darth is just my new Jedi title

                        
#34  by Citizen couslee - 10/31/2003 12:55:33 PM

Had you already submitted it twice?Alex


That is a possible explanation. The first time, I got the new submit notice and thought there was a problem, sent it again, got the same notice. I didn't think it would could it as a second resubmit since there was absoultly no changes in the game or version. If it did count it as the second resubmit, that might explain the problem a lot of ppl are having.

Wonder why they took out the "human speak" message anyway. It's no where near April 1st. Not being a programmer, I (as others) need to be talked to like a puppy...... "good boy, you sent it right with no problem, sit, play some more".

Like I said, I am not really worried about it. It did give about a 1500 increase in score. I was just glad to see better scoring for tech victories (still low imo, but oh well).

                    
#35  by Citizen couslee - 11/3/2003 12:16:45 AM

Well, I see from my latest score, it is still a lot more beneficial to hold out and get more techs. I did get a lucky draw, and was able to finish Aug 2187 on a large/crippling. Guess the scoring bonus for an early finish is not all dat. Small rewards for a military hat-trick.

                    
#36  by Veteran Samurai Ben - 11/4/2003 11:50:22 PM

I've just submitted another game, played start-to-finish on 1.11, and thus have a basis for comparison:

Maso Medium 1.10 - 24910, increased to 41100 on a 1.11 resubmit.
Maso Medium 1.11 - 27240.

Or, a 9.36% increase over a native 1.10 submission. Similar playing styles, except that this time I didn't need a Terror Star finale - the last three planets flipped. My first game without killing anyone at all! Unless you count the crews of all of those disbanded Arcean ships...

The wild 65% boost is clearly only for 1.10 games submitted using 1.11.

Couslee, remember that your Culture, Economy and Science scores all have a chance to climb in a longer game, giving you more points. For that matter, you'd probably get a better Military score as well as you'd be fielding much larger, more powerful ships by the end of a longer game.

                    
#37  by Citizen couslee - 11/5/2003 5:31:13 AM

Couslee, remember that your Culture, Economy and Science scores all have a chance to climb in a longer game, giving you more points. For that matter, you'd probably get a better Military score as well as you'd be fielding much larger, more powerful ships by the end of a longer game.


I went back to see about that. refrained from taking the last Yor planet by force and waited for it to culture flip. I researched an additional 34 techs of 5 yrs, and more than doubled my score. This was with out fielding any more powerfull ships. The additional 34 techs equated to over 10k more Mpts. The reason for the original post? The original grip was about the early win, should get a better score. imo.

                    
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