| These people have not been removed because they are not cheating. |
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True, they have not been removed. Nor have I or you. But we have been examined because we were submitting more than one game a day. Does this imply that they thought we might be cheating?
           
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| But we have been examined because we were submitting more than one game a day. Does this imply that they thought we might be cheating? |
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If they examined everyone for cheating or just the people that submit more than one game I don't care. I feel better knowing that no one in the Metaverse is cheating.
| Yes, and both Renegade and Loth said they played every game. Their work aginst Stardock. Not proof of anything. |
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You must be right, I am worn out talking to you.
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| I am wondering why this audit has you so bent? |
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Because it is arbitrary and without a way to validate what has been said. Do we have a right to validate what they say? No. In this I think you all agree. They can do what they want without explanation. They have done just that.
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Seem to me that there are a lot of us on the forum that want to believe Stardock. Please do. There are some of us who would like a more open discussion of what took place. Why is so hard to ask for?
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One statement to make things clear, I didn't hack any game ID, my computer skills are not that good, I even type with 2 fingers, the only thing I can consider that I was targeted for, was because I created a mod for political parties with strong economy, exploration, speed and trade, so if that was the reason for deleting my games, then why they were not flagged when I submitted them? If they (Stardock) are trying to use me and Lothmorg as escape goats for their lack of control then we are doomed, no matter what, if you submit too many games you are going to become a traget of the policing of Stardock, and that is shameful. 
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| One statement to make things clear, I didn't hack any game ID |
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Renegade, thanks for the comment. Would you be willing to provide a detailed description of the mod? If not here in the forum, how about in the Senate Halls?
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Like I said in the Diplomats forum, the only thing I can think about that I was doing wrong was that I used a mod political party with strong economy, speed, trade routes and exploration and PQ=30, maybe that is the reason why I was accused of cheating, but one thing that you must take in consideration is that the same party is used by the AI's, so why is that considered cheating? I would consider it "cheesie" but not cheating, because the AI's has the same chance that you have, in all the games I played using this party, I was never able to take down the AI's military because right from the beginning they had a huge advantage from me in the military area, so I had to trade with them like crazy just to get them to be friendly and then at the end of the game after year 2190 I had to trade even sometimes star systems to get them to ally with me, all game I had to bribe them constantly and make them to fight against each other. So am I cheating or just using a strategy?
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I understand this, as I had to do that last night to win an alliance also.
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Can someone tell me what impact, if any, playing multiple games on multiple computers has? Could this result in the same game being played and hence be submitted?
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You know way more then me Weyr, but if its random then the odds of the same map coming up on two computers is the same as coming up on one. Next to zero
I know loth played laptop alot and was probably moving the games to his desktop and then downloading. Problem there?
The bottom line is Weyr you cannot fight their battles for them. They can contact Stardock and present there case. They can ask for your assistance but if they are not willing to do that you will live with we cannot change what has happened. All were doing is guessing.
The charges were specific Renegade they said they were the same game except the id and the 1st tech. If what you say is true then they cannot be right. We should fight this. I don't care how cheesee your tactics as long as you played the games.
Weyr why not get him to email the mod to you. Enough guessing.
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| if its random then the odds of the same map coming up on two computers is the same as coming up on one. Next to zero |
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The problem is if they both start out with the same seed, then it is possible in a very non minimal probablity that the same game could be generated, at least in its initial settings. Once started, if they never reset the seed on that computer, then, yes, minimal probability. But the way random number generators work, two computers, starting out at the same time could concievably generate the same sequence of random games at their initial settings.
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| They have been offered a way to prove their innocence, let them use it if they wish or not as the case may be. |
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So far I have not seen any proof of shred of evidence from Stardock convincing anyone that we cheated, so far is just their word, where are the solid proofs, no one is guilty until the evidence is shown, so far I have not seen any evidence of cheating, so why do I have to defend myself or Lothmorg against a evidence that is non existent?
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They need to show the codex of the games, the ID's of duplicated games, you know why they have not shown it yet? because there is none.
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| Stardock have said to e-mail them if you want to sort things out. Do so if you feel strongly enough. The only way to solve this is through dialogue with Stardock off-forum. E-mail Pat and ask him what the inconsistency is and see if there is a way to sort things out Renegade. Posting on this forum will not accomplish this. |
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I agree but know you have a large community who supports you. Remain calm and professional. If you run into a road block ask us for help. Maybe we can figure out a way for you to move through it. 
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| Weyr why not get him to email the mod to you. Enough guessing. |
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I have done a little experimenting. I can play a huge, masso, rare game in under an hour and get 60k WITHOUT the use of Mods. Standard AP1.5 game. I do occasionaly lose a star system to end the game, but hey, whats a few billion citizens  
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| have done a little experimenting. I can play a huge, masso, rare game in under an hour and get 60k WITHOUT the use of Mods. Standard AP1.5 game. I do occasionaly lose a star system to end the game, but hey, whats a few billion citizens |
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I do this regularly, just figured out how to use mods last week so I am not using any except the "old diplomats party" for the past week. Not counting the time to get the right system I want. I can do it 40 minutes, that is if no AI's declare war on me. Auto save turned off.
Thats why I don't think Renegade was putting up enough games to be cheating. If I did not have a wife kids and only 1 "good" computer I could easily do 4 games a day.
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Did not realize this. No Yor have ever made it through the Guardian's Yor training camps. 
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| This is an issue between Renegade and Stardock and Lothmorg and Stardock and we should all butt out and let them get to the bottom of it |
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