I don't think is because of a party mod.. as I'm using one myself and nonme of my scores have been deleted... (thank heavens) I use some cheeses too.. and my games are still in place (In fact some of the cheeses I discovered are being used by lots of others.. with no ill effects).
Any party changes effect the AI players too (so i've been told) the only advantage that you can get from the player stats from the start of the game that give players bonuses over the computer players are the extra (10 points worth) of extra abilities.
If my scores were deleted for how i've been playing the game i'd be angry too...
I don't know who to believe.. but as stated before I can'tr see that stardock would do anything to make players angry about things.. in fact i've seen them do the opposite.. doing things just to make players happy (even things I think take away from the game and that I was against).. for a while it seemed that everything I did to win was being changed, which made it harder for me to win while using the same stratagy.. thus I simply had to develope or change other stratagies to make it possible for me to still get top scores (without cheating) ..
The extent of the pary file change that i've made now is that it sort of turns playing the huge map into like playing a smaller map (and yes the AI players are getting the same benifits as I am) Ships going further , sensor range increase, and other things..
It has made the game a lot more interesting.. as prior to using my party mod I used to be able to get all the way through without even having a battle.. now I always have at least 1 AI battle me towards the end of the game.. (happens regularly after year 2186+ ) so my games now have everything (I don't use any other mods)
So as I say i don't thinks its because of a party mod
          
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Well the lack of response from Stardock proves my case, they don't have evidence of cheating and they are just punishing "cheesie tactics". So be aware you could be next.
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| Well the lack of response from Stardock proves my case, they don't have evidence of cheating and they are just punishing "cheesie tactics". So be aware you could be next. |
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Renegade, when you say lack of response, are you refering to public forum response, or to your private email to them? I urge you to reponse to the moinitor mentioned in previous posts from Stardock and others. If they don't respond to you in private, then I think we as a community can try to do something.
Keep fighting, I know it is tiresome.
    
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by Senator CariElf - 6/24/2004 12:52:23 PM
| Some game scores were rejected/effectively zeroed last year due to stardock's definition of cheese. Ask some of the old timers about it! |
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If you're referring to the GCCG or whatever EBZeroMatrix' strategy was, that issue was because he was using a strategy that was causing anomalous scores. We weren't personally deleting or zeroing out the scores caused by this strategy.
| Well the lack of response from Stardock proves my case, they don't have evidence of cheating and they are just punishing "cheesie tactics". So be aware you could be next. |
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Frogboy is on vacation this week and this was the first chance that I've had to catch up on the forums after being gone for a long weekend myself. If you've e-mailed him, it may take him awhile to respond.
If we wanted to just punish people for using cheese tactics, I could put in a bunch more checks that would trip the anomalous flag and your scores would reach the database as zeros. This would take far less effort on our part than going in the database and manually deleting or zeroing out scores.
As it is, I will be suggesting to Brad that we put in code to warn people who have hex edited their files. I can also change the way that we generate the Game IDs so that we can check to make sure that they were generated by Gal Civ and not by a hex editor.
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Hex editor? What is a hex editor?
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This is my cheesie tactic, to prove you once and for all that you are wrong, I created a mod with a strong political party, that gave me a lot of cash and other advantages, before I finished to ally with the last AI and 1 turn before the elections I changed in all the games (60K) my political party to an another party and then 1 turn later I allied with the last AI and obtained a 60K victory, I never went inside the files to do any hexing or whatever you call that, I just changed the political party, cheesie? yes, cheating no, I didn't alter any data or broke any code or hack any hex thing. So here you have my cheesie tactic. Now you want to ban me for doing that, be my guest. Your lack of respect and your lack of desire to find the truth is not worthy the effort to argue with you. 
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| political party, that gave me a lot of cash and other advantages, before I finished to ally with the last AI and 1 turn before the elections I changed in all the games (60K) my political party to an another party and then 1 turn later I allied with the last AI and obtained a 60K victory |
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Sorry for my lack of understanding Renegade but how can you change politcal party in the middle of a game, I thought you could only do this before the game started. 
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by Senator CariElf - 6/24/2004 1:59:08 PM
Do you mean that you're changing the government? Because the only way to change your political party after you've started the game would be to edit either the save game or the data files, and I would consider that cheating.
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Let me give you the details, I started with a political party and like I said before before I allied with the last AI and before the last turn to the election I saved the game and when I restart the game I will use the same political party without the mod, editing the poltical party using galciv writer removing the mod. Well if you consider that cheating, then is cheating. I don't consider it cheating but is a matter of opinion, you accused me of hacking and using the same ID for each of my games and that is not true.
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This is to prevent it from being anomalous score?
That is very different then what Renegade has been accused of. Cheesie and maybe should be stopped, but I would not think It should result in expulsion. He did play the games.
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So you actually edit the save game file or the mod file in the game itself.
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Am I right, you would do this because the politcal party left unchanged would result in anomalous score.
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| I saved the game and when I restart the game I will use the same political party without the mod, editing the poltical party using galciv writer removing the mod |
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So start the game with one set of rules that would cause an anomaly(?), use Galciv writer to change those rules and complete the game? Sounds like cheating to me. Sorry.
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editing the poltical party using galciv writer
which tells me he has to edit the game file using the editor to change the effects of the mod. Hey, my games are played, albeit sloppily and poorly but, without the use of an editor. This, to me, makes this more than "cheese". |
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I once did such a change (in the mod file) (while working on a new mod party) but it did not have effect to the game currently played
    
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I was hoping that you didn't cheat. But is now quite obvious by your own words that you cheated, by game file editting in-game, to avoid the anomolous score trigger. I'm even more sorry that you can't see this fact for yourself. 
 
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Hey guys and gals. Here is how I understood what Renegade said. Play the game with the mod pol party that gives all the cheese that the AI gets (and maybe more) in a Masso game. Ally with all but one of the AIs. To restart the game, I think he means save the game. Exit GalCiv. Either edit or rename the pol party to the normal pol part of the same name (why edit it all the time, when all you have to do is rename it) Restart (reload) GalCiv. GalCiv than brings in the pol parties from the folders, doesn't find the moded pol party, but the regular pol party and starts up the game where left off from the save(but with the now unmodded pol party.) No modifing of the saved game file. No moding of the GalCiv program file. Finally ally with the remaining AI and get 60K. I surmise that if he finished the game with the modded pol party, he did not get valid scores. I consider this valid cheese (or invalid cheese if you want), but not cheating in the way that Stardock indicated. He did not hack any of the files. Just made use of the way the GalCiv works. If one understands the enemy, it is easy to defeat them. Why do you think the U.S. and other military powers us intelligence gathering - so they know the weakness of the enemy. This is a weakness of GalCiv, not a cheat.
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