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Mid-West Confederation communication & recruiting thread
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Plephart chants his litany of boredom and frustration. But we know all his suicides are fake.
Difficulties of front page players in order of difficulty (last 3 games)
Staffa G.R.O.S.S
Crippling, Maso, Maso
Plephart MWC
Crippling, crippling, crippling.
Ice G.R.O.S.S.
Painful, crippling, painful
PBP G.R.O.S.S.
Painful, painful, painful
Idle, MWC
Normal, chall, chall
Kryofx mwc
Simple, normal, normal
EBZ G.R.O.S.S.
Begin begin, norm.
3 of the 4 top difficulty players(last 3 games) among those in our empires on the first page are G.R.O.S.S. Forget that Kryo admitted to the same thing. Never let facts get in the way of a good gripe.
Get it right. I am your daddy pajama boy, not theirs.
          
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#204
by Veteran Gerakken - 7/7/2003 7:05:51 PM
Hmm. Yes, it wasn't very wise of some overzealous GROSSers to come along and kick the MWC while it was down, but the intentions were not always mean-spirited. Heck, I personally would never kick a guy while he is down, but I would help him up and then decide whether to shake hands or hit him again. 
And it was also unwise to suggest GROSS is an empire full of cheese scorers. So one of us likes the Technician style, but there is probably at least one in every major empire that does it too. But a lot of GROSSers have respectable and even fearsome records. Throw no stones while in a glass house, you know.
Now, I have had nothing but respect for the MWC, never forget that, but I must also remind that every empire, mine, yours and every other one, has its day in the sun. Some are destined to peak at #1 before they fall, others may never reach the big leagues before shrivelling up. The mightiest and the lowliest all fall eventually. The next uber-empire is waiting to be born, where a boatload of active members with the latest, high scoring versions will tear up through the ranks while us old fossil empires get waterlogged with inactive members burdened by the good old days of scores in the low hundreds.
  
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| EB if beginner level games are fun for you perhaps you would like to borrow my daughters copy of Chutes and Ladders. |
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Classic Surther! That's awesome.
I'm back gents! After a week without GC or even a computer! Hope everyone had a great holiday weekend. I hope to get in a game or two this week, but my lovely wife  Link and 2 kids Link have had me quite occupied.
Welcome Zyk0001, Theempire and JordanVmp!
Senator idleprocess
'Manifest Destiny'
The Mid-Western Confederation
Link
     
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From plephart:
| Chill out Kit. Were my statistics enough to get you so riled up. I posted my disclaimer to any statements by that clown Vasueden and yet you still associate me with him. Shaking with anger...did I call names....never have, although I have been called numerous degrading things by your own leader Pontius, while I must say Gerakken has never been anything but civil in his dealings with others. Have I ever exploded due to being called names by Pontius, not to my recollection, after all this is just a game. We at the MWC are all about honor and values but why should that prevent me from simply including some statistics in a thread that it clearly related to. And I'm sorry but pirates talking of good virues, as I have said before the only good virtued and nice pirates I have ever seen perform on Broadway, and that is not you from what I've seen and read....maybe the ANZACs but certainly not you. |
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First, it is true that I should chill out.
Second, I'm posting here because I made comments about MWC. My comments should therefore be placed here:
| Sorry, but I'm literally shaking with anger after reading plephart's response to that V guy. Everything they say about good values and honor in the MWC. THAT'S hipocracy! Don't get me wrong, I know there are great people in the MWC, but the posts I read drive into my soul like a rusty ol' broken saber. Why do they cast shame onto the notion of good virtues? I can play as the bad guy until the real bad guys show up. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! |
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I have two points to make and I'm going to do this, not as a member of G.R.O.S.S., but as just another human being.
Plephart, when I read "Boy I hate to back up this Vasueden guy but we do have a common dislike of GROSS so here goes", it strikes me as a VERY weak disclaimer. The statistics don't bother me. Statistics are created for manipulation by ANY side. What pushed me over the edge was your willingness to follow Vasueden's attack with your own. I know there's animosity between MWC and G.R.O.S.S., but please don't connect that with a character like Vasueden.
My second point rests on the difference between you and I, plephart. You seem to believe words mean nothing more than what's there for us to read. That is why you state "And no I don't see how my comments were out of line, while they were associtaed with something he said, I was just stating statistics that happened to not be so flattering for your empire, no name calling at all." No name calling at all? I contend that the words we type ALWAYS carry the emotional intent that guides us as we write. It's a tricky art, but it's also very important for people to "read between the lines". That's where REAL communication resides. ...all in my opinion, as we all know.
One day I may post why I garnered my own genuine dislike for MWC, but I've taken enough space on your thread. If I have misrepresented any of you statements, please clarify them for me.
  
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#210
by Citizen plephart - 7/8/2003 10:15:27 PM
| No name calling at all? I contend that the words we type ALWAYS carry the emotional intent that guides us as we write. |
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You are completely right on this count Kit. The simple emotional intent of my words was that GROSS is an empire that thrives on easier difficulties and a cheesy strategy. I see no name calling there, just an opinion that I hold about your empire...take it personally if you must, but there is no more personal attack there than for your own leader Pontius to call our empire whiners. I take no personal offense at that, its just part of the trashtalkin that goes on.
If I understand you correctly we all should be nicey nicey to one another and never trash talk another empire because in reading between the lines we may take things too personally. My suggestion, ,stop reading between the lines and have some fun. If you don't like the trashtalkin start a movement to have it stoppped or stop reading it. Your own leader has made quite an exquisite art of it.
Oh and I must say I can't wait to hear why you genuinely dislike us the MWC so much. Why do I dislike GROSS you may ask, pure and simple, every competitive game needs a villian and a hero, conflict is necessary to further progress. Nothing gets done in nicey nicey comittees where everyone loves everyone else. Do you really think your empire would be number 1 and had such a surge in the metaverse if it weren't for our empires coup of number one not so long ago????
In conclusion, I must most respectfully ask you to suck it up a bit. Trashtalkin is part of the game. I think we can all agree that stuff like Vasueden said is out of line but ripping me to shreads because I was in the same post as him...come on. Alls fair in love and war and to finish off my thread of common sayings, no blood, no foul!
Senator plephart
Come Realize Your Manifest Destiny
Join the Mid-Western Confederation at Link
We want you!!
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Oh I can't resist this invitation...
It's the hypocrisy that kills me, plephart, not the trash talkin'. Sure we're all hypocrites, but yours is a kind that's very damaging. I'll try to explain, which will also cover how I developed distaste for MWC.
| You are completely right on this count Kit. The simple emotional intent of my words was that GROSS is an empire that thrives on easier difficulties and a cheesy strategy. I see no name calling there, just an opinion that I hold about your empire...take it personally if you must, but there is no more personal attack there than for your own leader Pontius to call our empire whiners. I take no personal offense at that, its just part of the trashtalkin that goes on. |
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To indicate that an empire thrives on easier difficulty settings and a cheesy strategy is not in itself an emotional intent. It is based on an emotional intent. I would guess that emotion is concern. Concern that G.R.O.S.S. is damaging the Metaverse with an agreed upon tactic. This is not where the hypocrisy lies. Let me point it out:
"I see no name calling there, just an opinion that I hold about your empire..."
Further on you state:
"Trashtalkin is part of the game."
You're implying that your statistics, in which you also state "Read it and weap pirates, step up the difficulty or be mocked", was trashtalkin, correct? And we have no need to quibble on the difference between name calling and trashtalkin, correct? So which is it, plephart? Are you or are you not name calling / trashtalkin? To respond that you do or don't is not the point. You clearly indicate as you backpedal that you don't name call. BUT you admit that you trashtalk. This is hypocrisy. This is misleading. This is a danger to young impressionable minds.
Here's the connection that pisses me off about MWC. A sampling from MWC members:
axels2000 - "MWC stands for noble cause and fair game."
A commendable theme to start with.
surther - "You see here in the Midwest we are raised on values. We respect our neighbors and love our enemies."
This implies that other regions are not raised on values.
plephart - "if you want some helpful tips on how to score in this great game, join up and come into our members only chatroom. We'll get ya up to speed quick! Our only requirements are twofold, have some connection to the Midwestern US of A and despise the evil empire G.R.O.S.S."
So the theme is exclusively the American Midwest now. OK, that's fine.
surther - "We welcome Midwesterners from around the world as well as those from the Midwest. Those of you in the Ukraine or Brazil or anywhere who are in the glorious farm belts and wheatlands come join our mighty empire."
Except that it's more now.
surther - "Our small empire is a cross section of the good old USA and shows why we as a nation are so strong. We set our goals and we stick to it and the Midwest provides the grain and the muscle that makes us strong."
No, sorry, it's just the American Midwest again.
axels2000 - "On a different topic: let me re-emphasize, MWC is achievment of Australia, Asia, South America, Northern America and Europe. Of all good people with the mindset of value-added workers/players. We do not segregate on territorial principles."
Oops again. We're back to including all of the privileged folks who have values.
plephart - "Alls fair in love and war and to finish off my thread of common sayings, no blood, no foul!"
And which noble cause does this reflect?
Yes, I'm pulling your quotes from many sources, but this is how I developed distaste for MWC. All of the empires have struggled to develop a theme that works for them. Y'all struggled. That's fine, except that your claim on values has an exclusionary undertone. You're promoting this theme as the "good guys" and kids may actually believe that they really are better than other regions, cultures, etc. It's one thing to be proud of your heritage. It's another to look down on others without even acknowledging your hubris. Chalk it up to role-playing if you like, but I have an uneasy suspicion it goes well beyond role-playing for some MWC members.
Prove me wrong! I want nothing more than to have my fellow Americans show the world that, despite the press, they're actually wonderfully open-minded folks.
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| Concern that G.R.O.S.S. is damaging the Metaverse with an agreed upon tactic. This is not where the hypocrisy lies. |
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This should read "Concern that G.R.O.S.S. is damaging the Metaverse. This is based on an assumption that it has an agreed upon tactic. However, this is not where the hypocrisy lies."
That's right, Kit. Nearly shot myself in the foot with that gap in my logic. 
Well I do hope this exchange can drift into the realm of calm reason. I admit that I take some "vibes" personally, but we’re all carrying some baggage.
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#215
by Citizen plephart - 7/9/2003 12:45:39 PM
I must apologize for being distracted by the pirates and neglecting my more important duty of trumpeting the recent success of our glorious empire. Be proud fellow MWCers we survived a mighty fall from the peak of the metaverse down to fifth place that would have caused mass defections in a lessor empire. We have since climbed our way past the "Fellowship of the White Council" to retake fourth place and now stand a mere 35000 metaverse points from retaking third place from our rivals, the Euros.
Despite our struggles, our galactic appeal as the working man’s empire is still as strong as ever, as we have acquired some excellent new recruits lately. They show all the honest and hardworking attributes that make our empire strong and resilient. It is through the efforts of more excellent recruits like them and the continued hard work of our current dedicated members that we shall obtain our utmost goal, the dethroning of the pirate empire, GROSS. They and others may mock us now, but as the working class we are no strangers to this treatment from the upper classes and they shall resent their statements very soon.
For the metaverse is based on the everyday struggles and toils of the worker class and only by joining us will you help the Midwestern Confederation, the people’s empire, to rise up and give the working man his due.
So join us, we do not discriminate based on morality nor do we discriminate based on region. While the MWC was born as a regional Midwestern empire and based on the famous Midwestern work ethic, it has since blossomed to include players of all nationalities who need only share in our mentality.
Senator plephart
Come realize your 'Manifest Destiny' in The People's Empire
Join the Mid-Western Confederation at Link
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***Power Outage at MWC Datacenter***
DNS and Email servers are without power hence the MWC website and forums are down. Batteries held us for a little while but the diesel generators, were, sabotaged!!!
Mantainance crews found cheap swill in the tanks and there was drop bear fur all over. No terrorist groups have claimed responsibility yet, but intel has many leads.
Restoration of power will be noted here in due time.
Lightning strikes
idle
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surther, until classes start up again in September, no, I don't have much of a life. Normally all of my intellectual madness gets sucked up by polisci classes.
A write off contest... now THAT'S a sweet idea! May we have it on your thread? hee hee hee 
I don't believe I wasted my time reading through the threads of the major empires BEFORE joining one. I didn't want to get buddy buddy with some folks and find out weeks later that they're the exact opposite of what they said they were.
You should join plephart in the themes vs localities discussion that's going on. The ANZACs are doing most of the locality talking, but they were torn between both sides to begin with.
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***MWC Datacenter is back on-line***
Power has been restored and systems are once again operational.
And BTW, drop bear fur stinks 
I actually had to give hazardous duty pay to the clean-up crew. 
idle out
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Have fun at the top but know that your empire of cards will fall around you someday, I just hope I'm aroud to see it. 
real life stuff too?!?! Oh and not to mention that I do so ever love to trashtalk with you "pirates".
