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Do you still think GalCiv 1 is fun even with GalCiv II out?
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1- Yes
2- No


Fellowship of the Ring Empire Thread
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#1125  by Veteran Captain Jack Sparrow - 8/13/2003 12:29:47 PM

Egads GROSS is winning! Aggg! I shall double my efforts and give 200%! Is that possible? or should I say 150%? Is that double? Or is 100% all I can give . . . mmmm, now I'm confussed and I think I feel a migrain comming on, mabye even an Anyerism Alternatively if I double my efforts and thats 100% it can only mean I was giving 50% befor and an therefor a 'slacker'! . . . I apologize therefor for my laziness! I can relate to PontiusBruinPilot mentality, people say I aslo lack a degree of 'tact' . . . hehe. He can (from what I've seen) be quite charming when it suites though . . .



Actually my behavior is not dictated by what suits. It is not dictated by what I think others will think about it. It is dictated by what I think is right, and what I think is the truth. Some, have a problem with that.

You're far from a slacker. I encourage people to play when they want and how much they want. How can you be a slacker at a game? I would think those of us who play more are the real slackers. Not that being a slacker from time to time is a bad thing.

                          
#1126  by Veteran TheQuack - 8/13/2003 12:36:30 PM

Ah, I just get off the "what is anzac spirit" debate and see this...

I've got a crate full of chill pills here on the Retox. Everyone's welcome to have one on the house

[edit: if people are gonna argue over posts from ages ago, I think it'd help to find the originals so people can see exactly what they're talking about. If everyone works from memory, this isn't going to be pretty...]
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#1127  by Veteran Captain Jack Sparrow - 8/13/2003 12:54:46 PM

edit: if people are gonna argue over posts from ages ago, I think it'd help to find the originals so people can see exactly what they're talking about. If everyone works from memory, this isn't going to be pretty...]


Ahhh Quack. It's senseless. He's not gonna change. I'm wasting my fingers. Is that chill pie with Strawberries? I think I'll have a piece.

                          
#1128  by Diplomat Blue_Steel - 8/13/2003 1:10:10 PM

are you guys talking about me? i hope not....
if you are please mention my name so that i know and then i can defend myself... you were talking about other things in this thhread.. then you all of a sudden start talking about something else... and i'm left wondering about what....



                          
#1129  by Veteran Theoden of Rohan - 8/13/2003 2:09:32 PM

Oooooo-kay...

BlueSteel: Nothing about you or ANZAC here in the past 50 posts. Paranoid?
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Pontius: If you've got a problem with Ray expressing his opinion on scoring, or anything else for that matter, that's your business. I'm just asking you to tone down the name calling and inciting. Even if you think Ray is a "whiner and crybaby" or that he makes suggestions that are "totally lame", please either keep them to yourself or try to put it a different way. I try not to flame anybody on this board, and I would like to see others be as respectful.

We've had some fun having conversations, Pontius. I don't want to get anybody mad, so please take what I'm telling you as helpful. It's better for all of us if we stay away from the flames.
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Quack: I need some of those chill pills for my boss here in RL.

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Now, back to our regularly scheduled (and fun) conversations. The preceding "Reality TV" segment was a signal beamed to us from the Yor and should be considered an act of war.

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Hey, what are some creative things to do to the Yor? I despise them with a passion that is neverending, and am always looking for new and fun ways to dismantle them or convert them to humiliating objects.

                          
#1130  by Veteran vincible - 8/13/2003 2:11:46 PM

Don't worry, Bluesteel, it's nothing to do with you.

Briefly, Ray and Pontius got into an argument about the Metaverse and the scoring system, and in the course of that argument Pontius made some comments about Ray that some people have said is "name-calling" and that Pontius calls "observation."

Personally I think Pontius is in the wrong here, but if you want to read it yourself the relevant posts are on page 44.

                        
#1131  by Veteran Theoden of Rohan - 8/13/2003 3:04:35 PM

EGADS!!

Has anybody looked at Richard Heaton's score submissions?? He's almost the machine EBZ is, except he plays Large galaxies (and it looks like he's moving into Huge!)


EEK!!

Just looked at Wombie's, too!! Holy crap, how do you guys do anything but play GC??!!
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And we won't even get into Chiacow!!
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#1132  by Veteran Gerakken - 8/13/2003 4:37:53 PM

Just looked at Wombie's, too!! Holy crap, how do you guys do anything but play GC??!!


The five red pirates of Doom are in a tight bunch near the top. Only one lone Fellowship member is in range to break up the unholy alliance. (Look at their alignments. No good!) And only the Ring keeps them from the top.
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#1133  by Citizen KitWarrior - 8/13/2003 6:47:10 PM

Dang Ray. You tryin' to reach 200k by next Thursday? That's just sick. Sick sick sick.

                      
#1134  by Citizen Wild Wombat - 8/13/2003 7:16:54 PM

Theoden - I'm on annual leave at the moment, so the output wont last! I have taken Ray's original statement: "the Metaverse is about commitment, not skill" to heart. The 'crankin' style allows those less talented to support their team by just sweating out results. Richard is excellent, though - I just had to try and pip him, even though it's only for a short time!

                          
#1135  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/13/2003 7:25:42 PM

As I said earlier, I regret entering into the discussion with Pontius which I hoped he would be interested to discuss reasonably and logically.

However, he has once again decided to indulge in immature name-calling behaviour having not been able to back up his arguments and statements.

So I've stopped reading his posts already. As he himself put it succinctly in the GROSS thread, children are dying outside. We are all here to have fun and not to behave in immature behaviour best suited for a school playground.

                        
#1136  by Veteran idleprocess - 8/13/2003 7:29:24 PM

ray, pay a visit to irc land.



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#1137  by Citizen IceMole - 8/13/2003 7:40:46 PM

You are the expert on the Metaverse computations, IceMole. But I could have sworn I've seen some scores get reduced even though that person did not submit a game.


Well, I can't think of any likely reasons for this to be happening given what I've observed in the metaverse. Of course it is quite possible there more calculation rules I have not come across yet. I'd be interested to look into it if you see any more scores exhibiting this behavior.

                      
#1138  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/13/2003 7:43:34 PM

I'm wondering IceMole. If a person stops submitting and leaves the game, shouldn't his scores degrade somehow rather than maintain at that level?

Or do we wait for the massive metaverse-wide recalc?

                        
#1139  by Citizen Free Tibet - 8/13/2003 7:57:49 PM

>>> Cotal runs through the Galactic Civilizations Forum kitchen ducking and weaving to avoid the co-lateral damage from the plates, spoons and spatulas flying every which way . . .

Anyway (if you'd pardon the expression . . . hehe). I accidently on purpose submitted my first loss for ages! The score was over 1000 so I couldn't resist. Suprisingly my Metaverse score went up about 2500? Since I still had plenty of time to spare I submitted another more conventional game (a win) for which I got about 20 Metaverse points (I exaggerate a little hehe) . . .

Anyway my point is this, should losses mabye score a little higher. I mean these days the most exciting games I have are close losses. It seems a shame that they generally score about 2 to 5% of that you might expect for a win (my second last game being an unusual exception). This is a point of discussion and happy debate not a real request, you know a hypothetical kinda banter . . .

Last time I raised this topic I recall someone said . . . 'A LOSS IS A LOSS A WIN IS A WIN' and winner takes all! I had to smile at that . . .

Oh and AHH is anyone running Windows 2000 pro? I didn't know there was a new security service pack out . . . really worth a look if you have this OS, theres some really nasty stuff out there at the moment (virus wise) . . . Makes Nortons and the like about as effective as toothpick bracing the Dutch Channel dam in an ecological crisis . . .


                          
#1140  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/13/2003 7:58:50 PM

accidently on purpose


What is the word for this? Oxymoron?

BTW, I believe Oxymoron means "A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist."

Don't want anyone to think I'm insulting Cotal.

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#1141  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/13/2003 8:02:58 PM

Dang Ray. You tryin' to reach 200k by next Thursday? That's just sick. Sick sick sick


Alright Kit, tell me now.

How many 25k games does it take for me to reach 200k?



                        
#1142  by Veteran Captain Jack Sparrow - 8/13/2003 8:18:48 PM

Pontius: If you've got a problem with Ray expressing his opinion on scoring, or anything else for that matter, that's your business. .


I have no problem with that. And for you to characterize this as that is totally wrong.


Just 3 rules for getting along with me: 1. Don't be a hypocrite. 2. Don't tell me something that I know and you know isn't true just for the sake of saving face or arguing.
3. Don't be arrogant.

Sorry but I cannot respect those things. And I don't think it's "disrespectful" as you put it, to call someone out on it.

Of course, if it won't do any good and I've just given up on someone's character, I just won't associate with them any more. I'm to that point in this case. No need for me to bother anymore.

That's not to say that you and I can't Jaw sometimes theoden. I Have no problem with that. There is no guilt by association in my book.



                          
#1143  by Veteran Captain Jack Sparrow - 8/13/2003 8:27:01 PM

Anyway my point is this, should losses mabye score a little higher. I mean these days the most exciting games I have are close losses. It seems a shame that they generally score about 2 to 5% of that you might expect for a win (my second last game being an unusual exception). This is a point of discussion and happy debate not a real request, you know a hypothetical kinda banter . . . Last time I raised this topic I recall someone said . . . 'A LOSS IS A LOSS A WIN IS A WIN' and winner takes all! I had to smile at that . . .


Good point. I don't buy the argument a win is a win and a loss is a loss. If that were true wins should score a set value and losses would score zero. And the metaverse would be boring as heck. This would be particularly true if the puter gets tech win comes out. for example, when that change occurs, A loss where you barely got beat to final fontier just before you smacked the last puter planet probably should score fairly close to say a win where you hid in the corner and barely beat the puter to final frontier I would think. But I dream....

I really don't have that strong an opinion either way. I can see the merits of both sides.

                          
#1144  by Citizen couslee - 8/13/2003 8:45:06 PM

I guess it just depends on your POV about the Metaverse. I don't look at it as a winnings tracker, but a scoring tracker. And losing games have a score too......
OMG, that sounded like a gooey goody/fuzzy bunny statement. Where is that vomit smiley when you want it.

                    
#1145  by Citizen Free Tibet - 8/13/2003 8:53:09 PM

Here borrow mine 'a white pale face always looks sickly to me'

>>> Cotal enters the kitchen carring a six hundered and fifty pound side of frozen beef! Screaming hysterically 'Who the heck wants some!' <<<

OK . . . I've just gotta buy in on this just this once.

What's wrong with being a Hypocrite? (Appart from the fact that people ignore your advice and tend to treat you like a pariah) People say to me . . . 'Cotal!' they say . . . Being called a Hypocrite is worse than anything (even an oxymoron)!

As I understand it, it's a case of 'Do as I say not as I do . . . for I am a hypocrite and am proud of it!' I mean, what can one possibly say to some one who openly says that!

Arrogance is a borish trait I'll agree. But then again whats wrong with being Arrogant? (Appart from the fact that people ignore your advice and tend to treat you like a pariah) People say to me . . . 'Cotal!' they say . . . Being called Arrogant is worse than anything (even an oxymoron)!

As I understand it, it's a case of 'I couldn't give a rats 'toilet area' about anyone elses opinion but my own' I mean, what can one possibly say to some one who openly says that!

L:iars , in all fairness simply suck the big one! But if someone openly says 'I am a liar and I like to suck the big one!' What can you possibly do in response to that? Unless ofcourse if their of the opposite gender . . .

So to sum up . . 'terpentine' ain't no thing to be using on plastics! Epecially if they are polymerized!

If anyone over 10 yrs of age took this seriously, I really can't help you! Enjoy the serenity of stupidity it is no less a curse than a troubled intellect.

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#1146  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/13/2003 9:04:09 PM

People, just ignore/skip Pontius' posts like I do.

He baiting me to go down to his level and he is not going to succeed. I'll rather walk away every time than engage in this meaningless talk.

Cotal, your post is cute.

                        
#1147  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/13/2003 9:05:43 PM

Kit, if you are going to take up the challenge of computing my targets for 200k, assume that I submit a 25k game every 3 days from my last submission.

I know I'm a sucker for punishment.

                        
#1148  by Citizen Free Tibet - 8/13/2003 9:06:25 PM


It's a tension breaker . I was worried you went quite all of a sudden

                          
#1149  by Citizen IceMole - 8/13/2003 9:13:14 PM

I'm wondering IceMole. If a person stops submitting and leaves the game, shouldn't his scores degrade somehow rather than maintain at that level?


I'm not sure what you mean here, Ray. If you mean is this how the system seems to work, then no. I've seen players whose scores have not been degraded since the big recalculation in early May.


If you mean should Stardock be using a more active method to degrade scores, it depends on what they want to achieve with score degradation.

One possibility is that the primary reason for score degradation is to slow the growth of us old timers who have the advantage of many blocks, rather than to punish inactivity. It seems that this fits well with Stardock's apparant philosophy for in-game scoring (i.e. you never lose points, you only see diminishing returns as time goes on).

Another possibility is that running constant recalculations may be too resource-intensive for Stardock to want to do it regularly. If I remember correctly, the last metaverse-wide recalc took quite a while to complete, so it may be a more difficult task than we realize.

I don't really see a problem with leaving players' scores alone when they are gone. It would seem a shame to see top scorers such as yourself and Staffa reduced to a fraction of their former glory. Besides, I wouldn't want my own score to drop into the range of 1 submission players. That could look pretty embarrassing.

                      
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