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Negative numbers for range and speed for ships?
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Can someone explain to me what's going on with the negative numbers used in some mods for speed and/or defense of certain ships?
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by Citizen Chippoka - 4/30/2005 6:22:46 AM
That's easy. A star base or some classes of ships shouldn't be able to move fast, say mines.
The problem with the game engine is that the core speed setting of a typical ship is NOT absolute. All ships are forcefully made to go faster when the player discovers new technologies for speed, even when it is totally unrealistic for some ship designs. There is no cost required to get the improved speed, and there is no time spend in a shipyard to gain new engines for better speed. Ships get speed improvement as if magic is involved, and it is "free."
Warp one-zillion is just not too unrealistic for a custom ship made to be as a Star Base (for example). While the game does limit the speed of actual Star Bases, it is NOT, saddly, user programmable by the modder! It is limited to one always! Sooo, some modders have created normal ships that can be use as Star Bases, like I have done, but which can move a little faster than a speed of one if a lot of speed research is completed by the player.
The net effect of a ship class with base speed that is a negative value means that ship class take more that normal research to be permitted faster speed; i.e., it takes much more time. Certainly ships designed to be as mines aught not be moving; and, if moving, then such should not be more than 1 per turn unless a massive amount of speed research is accomplished. I like setting mine speed at -10 in order to prevent them from every having the ability to move faster than 1 per turn... saddly, it is impossible to prevent them from ever moving once deployed, because there is really no such thing as a speed of "O" for a ships, since all speeds are defaulted to a value of 1 if the designed value is attempted to be set as zero.
Also, it is a matter of preference. Some players like a slow moving game at the beginning. Such makes "space" seems much larger. This will permit developement of player empires to a larger degree BEFORE contact with other empires is achieved.
In a nut shell, a negative ship speed is a slower ship, but, it can be eventually made to increase speed with enough speed research discoveries.
Here are the details:
A positive integer minus a negative which yields zero or a negative integer yields a ship speed of one.
* A pick speed of +1 (or 1 speed discovery), minus ship speed of -1 = 0 or effective ship game speed +1. Or... A designed base speed of -1 with a +1 speed discovery means ship speed remains at the same speed of 1. Speed zero or a negative speeds always yields a default speed of 1 per turn. The ship speed of zero is not true, since it really is one per turn.
* A pick speed of +1 (or one speed discovery), minus ship speed of -2 = -1 or effective ship game speed +1.
* A pick speed of +2 (or two speed discoveries), minus ship speed of -1 = ship speed +1 (no gain, since default equals +1).
* A pick speed 0f +3 (or three speed discoveries), minus ship speed of -1 = ship speed +2 (gain +1 to default).
So the total speed improvement to over come a negative value for ship core speed needs to exceed by one in order to see a gain above default.
Lastly, ship range suffers the same problem. And negative numbers can be used in design of core base range values of certain classes of ships for the same sorts reasons. Fighters are traditionally for short range planetary defense or near-capital ship missions of defense or attack. Interstellar flight should NOT be possible for fighters in general. So it is NOT uncommon for some fighters that I have designed to have very short ranges for most of the entire game. The "Basic Fighter" falls under this logic. That isn't to say certain later classes of fighters won't have increased range abilties 
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Master Modder and like he is the nicest guy in the world!  Stop fooling everyone your not a nice guy lets face it!
      
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by Citizen Chippoka - 5/21/2005 12:07:05 PM
Master Modder? How nice of it to even cross your mind, even as you get cynical. Don't like what I do? Change it or don't use it. All my work is public domain and may be freely changed and altered, and I encourge changes and adaptations in order that fan's tastes be accomodated (most times changes are easily done in Windows Note Pad or similar text editor). I doubt all will like my mods or graphics; erm, that's a given due to people having different preferences; especially since any mods that I happen to create are designed to my own preferences and shared unofficially.
But no. I'm no Master at this stuff. Heh, I only started learning how to do it a several months ago; and most of my time went toward learning a little bit of the graphics end of things, not the modding. There are many great mods and modders out there; and many of these mods are apart of my own games, as I image such is the case for many GC/AP fans. I'm sure there is a lot to learn in mod design, and the use of negative numbers certainly isn't new; and there certainly isn't any harm in attempting to explain it, since other explinations aren't always apparent in these forums.
I wish the "Master Modders" did post more often in these forums for newbies like myself to learn from. I've learned a lot just reading old threads. Seems these Mod forums, saddly, are fairly inactive...
Nice guy? Oh, I'm not a perfect as Christ or some other such similar person; Not always "nice" either, I can get into a fist-o-cuff with the best of them like most people can; I can get angry just like anybody else. I try to control it and keep it restricted to PMs and Emails, not at public forums. My tack is better than that (most times); but, sure, sometimes things get heated in forums, that's life, and that is what forum ethics rules and forum moderators are for 
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You are a bit screwed up in the head to be tearing apart someone character over nothing! What website do you run to give you the right AT ALL to go around telling Admins how to run their websites or attacking their character? NO ONE WOULD!
Your an asshole plain and simple. I will make sure it is known being you pulled your little stunt at NeoTech. You think I will sit back while you pretend to be a kind person helpiong this community when in reality it seems all about your own EGO.
We do not need this in our community. If you care to apoligize for the bullshit you said that was totally wrong and unfounded then I will back off. Otherwise I will keep on going. I only do to others what they do to me! You had no reason for acting how you did, never even posted the problem in the correct forum then bitched about it nonstop without anyone knowing what you were talking about. Give me a break you wannabe human. I bet no one enjoys your company at no site.
Sorry guys but this turkey deserves it, if you care to read what he says to people let me know all his rants are in my staff forums. No one at my site thinks I should have put up with your attitude as long as I did. I am a very easy going guy until you cross the line, and you crossed over it and got in my face. Piss on your ideas about customers or visitors always right. No store owner would put up with your bullshit either I used to run a store so I know.
You asked for this to be done dude you started it and I will not let up until you say something to stop me from telling the truth about you. 
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by Citizen Chippoka - 5/21/2005 12:48:56 PM
Site Administration, please remove this post or member in compliance with your site ethics rules, which Mr. Spook here is in violation by engaging in slander, foul language, and heresay.
If you have issues with me, Mr. Spook, whoever you are, then have a enough sense to use PMs or similar. Behaving as a forum troll is an unacceptable behaviour at most forums. If you need to contact me, then use the PM feature here at this site (since this site lacks it):
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This is the admin of NeoTech Games where you caused a lot of problems. (Desert Fox)
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Heresay? Slander, foul language? I can post the messages if you like right on these forums for all to see and read then you gonna stick by HERESAY!
You do not seem to want to resolve this as you were out of line not me. I reacted to you dude, if you did not go off on me we would not be in this mode now would we?
You want to try and get me removed from this website go right ahead. If you used the same attitude here as you did with me you would be booted not me.
You broke my sites policies and no I am not registering at any website to send you a PM. You need to send one my way saying your sorry before I will shutup. I am not being a troll I am making a point about you and that you need to correct your mistake.
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by Citizen Chippoka - 5/21/2005 1:20:49 PM
Your credibility is being destroyed by your own lack of proper ethical judgement and proper behaviour in a public place; you are in willfull violation of site rules that you agreed to abide by when joining this site. You should be at least be banned for a few weeks from these forums. I need not say more.
Have enough sense to use PMs or Emails. If you need to contact me, then use the PM feature here at this site (since this site lacks it):
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There we go again!! Oh your going to make the rules for this website also and mine? Proper ethical judgement would have been for you not to slander me or attack my character, start doing what you preach dude!
Look the person who need to PM someone is you PM me and be a man admit you went overboard and it will all be over with. My creditibilty is not the issue it is yours.
You broke all the rules that you agreed to at my site, read my rules, so do not be a hypocrite please. This can all end by you sending me a email or PM admitting you were wrong. Will you do the right thing?
If Stardock thinks they should ban me for saying the truth about you as a trouble maker at my website then so be it!
You have enough sense not to start trouble at someone website and think you can just get clean away with doing it. Not how things are done, if I was wrong, which I was not, then I would quickly admit I was wrong because a real man can do that. 
SD I am sorry but this guy is the problem not me! I should post one of your emails at this website so everyone can see why I am upset and posting these messages! Shall I?
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by Citizen Chippoka - 5/21/2005 2:08:40 PM
Ok, Mr Spook, or aka Desert Fox of the NEO-TECH forums....
again:
Your credibility is being destroyed by your own lack of proper ethical judgement and proper behaviour in a public place; you are in willfull violation of site rules (go read them!!!) that you agreed to abide by when joining this site. You should be at least be banned for a few weeks from these forums. I need not say more.
Your "truth" is slander and heresay, and has already been debated via private Emails and PMs between you and me. We couldn't agree, so I left you and your site. Now what more do you want? To be vindictive and force me to leave the GC community because I REFUSE to AGREE with YOU?! It won't happen... I will not rehash material already discussed. You leave me alone, I'll leave you alone and I'll never come to your site again. That is the best I can offer you. I have been more than fair about this, and now you throw a temper-tantrum and give our private exchanges to various GC/AP fans? Need I say more?
Have enough sense to use PMs or Emails. If you need to contact me, then use the PM feature here at this site (since this site lacks it):
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Go there... if you are willing to dare come to my "turf"... I have also have friends (just a you do), but you will still NOT be allowed to engage in slander or other unethical forum practices. You can use the PM feature there and also examine my profile here if you wish:
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My creditibility is being destroyed? How so by wanting you to do the right thing and settle this the right way?
Man you are really something. Its not about DARING me I have no interesting in that website at all. It is you again I say that has the problems. If you want to see this go away then do the right thing, be a man saying you were wrong acting how you did. Thats all I want and expect from a man.
Its not heresay if I have proof to show it all, and it is quite clear your not offering to admit what you did at my site was wrong, so it is you who is loosing creditibility here not me dude.
Just be a man and send me an email telling me you were wrong saying the things you said, is that possible within your short span of thinking? Repeating the same thing over and over is not working. 
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Here is the agreement you signed when joining NeoTech yet you call me unethical and no morals, think you can tell me how to run a site? I contacted another galciv fansite and he agreed with me and would have stopped it the 1st message you sent. 
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No trolls here! Um I do not think your in charge of the forums here either.
I had a good reason for chasing after him should not concern anyone but him and I, but it ended up here because of him not me!
Go contact him about his messed up attitude and mind not me. Spending all the time to type your message for what? Feel better? I do not condone this conduct he did at my site nor what we both did here.
But is your comments helping this at all? No your adding to the fire and now you are being a troll.
If your not interested do not read it simple as that!
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Looks like your doing the trolling or you would have stayed out of this thread!
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No the question is why are you bothering me with any of this? Its none of your business and a person I do like I said I was sorry it had to be done. 
I do not care what you say, your another trouble maker or you would not be telling me not to advertise my website or make comments about anything I said.
Your trolling dude, I seen this many times in my 6 years running websites. Have a nice time I have no need to deal with people like you or Chippoka. Give it a rest and stop reading things if you do not like them, just like TV or radio turn the channel.
These forums are not the place for any of the things I said, correct you are, anything else is just you trying to cause problems and I am not causing any at all. I am trying to prevent this clown from going to another galciv fansite and doing the same thing. Have fun with your attitude join up with Chippoka you make a good pair.
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#21
by Citizen Chippoka - 6/1/2005 5:08:44 AM
Darklor: Thanks for your "flowers" and "help." But I was told once the best way to deal with forum trolls is to stop feeding them. Ya, it can be hard to ignor them when the site rules are not enforced by the site adminstrators.
I've said what I've said in earlier replies to Mr. Spook, and hold to it. I still think this Mr. Spook fellow is a pretty nice guy, but apparently we have some major personality conflicts between us (relativley speaking) that prevent us from getting along. But as I said, I left his site and don't plan to associate with him; nor do I plan on engaging in public slander or defamation of his charactor; nor sending copies our private conversations (emails and PMs) to other GC fans in violation of confidences expected in such; nor do I plan on bringing issues from his forums to this forum (as he has done). I have more tact than that.
If this site were monitored, I'm sure all the slander and defamation by Mr. Spook would be deleted in accordances with thier own forum rules; and: to any site moderators or adminstrators: I still continue to ask that appropriate threads containing slander, flame, and defamation by Mr. Spook be deleted in accordance with your site's policies.
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Forums trolls...OKay yeah right. You go right ahead and keep going on that I the problem! Enjoy yourself dude I hope you think its all worth it.
Nice guy, yeah sure you do, in public you say these words. No personality conflict it is following rules at a website then not breaking them and not whining like a little baby over nothing at all.
I liked you dude until you began attacking my character, slander came from you not me. DDos attacks now up 3, and other hack attempts all the same time this affair happened. Interested and so does some others I contacted.
I would love to put this to bed, you did all of this buddy to yourself. I am the nice guy who ran a website and you abused me privated and now trying to be the nice guy. You had every chance in the world to make amends yet you keep going. Odd people like you why you do things like this is a mystery.
I was wrong posting in public forums only because no one will believe what I say here. Enjoy yourself this is obviously what you do best.
Darklor,
I am not causing any problems, Chippoka did all by himself. You getting involved now are another problem created by you. I said long ago this is not the place. I wanted everyone to know the truth about this guy who hides behind this mask of being a nice guy helping the community, it helps his bloated ego. No one monitors these forums nor moderate them and why I ended up posting here.
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#23
by Citizen Chippoka - 6/2/2005 4:26:39 AM
You're the one who brought this issue from your forum to this forum, violated confidences, and now troll here for agruements from me. I'm not interested. Take the hint.
Like I said before, we discussed it already, in private, and reached a resolution: I asked you to remove me from your forum memebership list, that I would leave; I stated that we needed to agree to disgree; innate in that is to end the discussion and part company; or was that hint not clear enough for you? Your attitude then and subsequent attitude here confirm to me I made the correct decision to leave. You and your policies drove me away from your site, and you have only yourself to blame.
Remember: "The customer [guest, visitor, member] is always right." Until you learn the wisdom contained in that saying, I doubt I ever go back to your site.
Now, if there is ever to be hope of any of this to ever begin to "mend," agree to disagree, and go pester somebody else.
P.S.
Quote: "....abused me privated and now trying to be the nice guy."
Abused you? You are one very insecure fellow if you think disagreeing or "lecturing" (explaining an opinion) is "abuse."
Me? Nice? Sure... Pit Bulls are nice, but they can tear you up when defending themselves. Ever observed a male Melandochromis Chippoka or an Auratus in an African Cichlid aquarium?
Hacker problems? Perhaps you made some enemies? I'm not your enemy. Don't be so paranoid. If you were my enemy, then I would have made that clear on no uncertain terms. Be assured, any problems at your site are not by me or anyone I know.
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