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Do you still think GalCiv 1 is fun even with GalCiv II out?
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Money and Morale
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by Citizen NomasNomas - 4/22/2006 10:13:12 PM

All the games I have tried to play until, I ended
without money, tried researches for trade, trading with
some planets, ect and morale always starts to be a problem
on the planets that I own.
Ideas, tactics, or whatever advice u have,

#1  by Veteran Vorlin Varelse - 4/23/2006 7:21:14 AM

Morale in GalCiv isn't like in many other games. If your morale is above 50%-54% your population will grow, which will cause morale to drop. So a civilization at equilibrium will have -all- planets at 50%-54% morale or so, that's normal. What morale-boosting social projects like the Multimedia Center really do is increase that planet's max potential population (they increase morale by a set amount, at which point your population on that planet grows until morale once again drops down to 50%-54%).

As far as money problems go:

1. Make sure you only build social improvements that are worth the upkeep cost. My first five projects are soil enrichment, habitat improvement, banking, research lab, and then manufacturing center. The first three of those have 0 upkeep, the last two cost 1 each, that's a lot of empowerment for just 2 upkeep.

2. Make sure you only settle planets that are of a quality of 15 or higher (planets with a lower quality than 15 actually cost money to support instead of making it).

3. Initially set your tax rate to 50%. This is too high for the long-term, but when you first start all your planets have such low population that you can run your taxes this high and still have 100% morale on each planet. Keep an eye on your planet list (F2), later in the game when you notice morale dropping on all your systems start lowering the tax rate by 5% at a time till eventually you get it down to 35%. I'm not positive that 35% is the best value, but I've found it works for me and the AI's like that value as well (they usually are at 38% or so). Don't keep lowering taxes past that point just for morale, as I noted above morale will -always- eventually drop to 50%-54%, thats perfectly normal.

4. Don't build too many starbases. The upkeep on them is 5 each, you can seriously hamper your economy if you have a lot of starbases. Make sure when you build a starbase that it will be worth the upkeep.

5. Trade tech for money with the AIs. I usually pick 2-3 techs, then go to each AI (don't forget the minor AIs) I have contact with and sell them at XX credits for YY turns. I try to set XX low enough that YY is between 10 and 20 turns. You can make huge amounts of money this way (the better your diplomacy rating is versus theirs the more you'll make, try to make sure that you get the trade good Diplomatic Translators), which allows you to pump up your Expenditures slider for YY turns (thus increasing your ability to build ships, social projects, and research tech).

6. Don't go overboard on espionage. When I first meet an AI I set the espionage up 1 click from 0, that's all I've found to be needed. Later in the game when you get the message that your espionage against a given AI is at the Advanced stage set the slider back down to 0, I've found no benefit from continued investment beyond that point.

7. All the above will give you a sound economy, but if you want even more strength in that area then you can choose custom picks before you start the game that boost economy. The Federalist party gives +20% economy, and you can also boost economy with one of the custom picks. You can choose a morale boost as well, which translates to an economic bonus because what a morale boost -really- does is increase max planet population (which, combined with planet quality, is what determines the economic output of a given planet). My last few games I've been using a custom set composed of the Federalist part combined with +30% economy, +10% morale, and +30% research. That's a 50% boost to economy total (plus the extra you get later with the extra population the 10% morale boost gives) combined with 30% research bonus, I'm very fond of this initial setup for any size galaxy.

#2  by Citizen NomasNomas - 4/23/2006 2:58:02 PM

Wow! Sounds to be very usefull advice on how to start the game, thanks again, I will try those and see how it goes.
If u don`t mind helping in another issue: espionage, I never used it though and don`t know how really. I did read the manual that stardock has but didn`t understand it much.

#3  by Citizen Walldorf2000 - 4/24/2006 5:15:47 AM

Espionage does three things for you.
1) You get some intelligence knowledge about the races (what do they research etc.).
2) You avoid the diplomatic accident which eventually pushes you in an unwanted war.
3) You can steal a technology.

The most important one for me is 2).

I start with espionage once I finished the rush period (rush for planets, rush for ressources, rush for the first trade goods/wonders) and don't have too big money trouble anymore.

I use one tick per race. Once I got the final intelligence level (advanced?) I stop espionage for all races with the exception of the technology leading race. This is because I'm usually very advanced in technology and very seldom get some via espionage.

#4  by Citizen Walldorf2000 - 4/24/2006 5:28:11 AM

Comments on Vorlin Varelse's points
1. Usually I don't build any manufactoring devices on planets other than my two to three bests which I use to build trade goods/wonders. I tend to have lots of planets, and could not afford high spending rates otherwise which I need to get the the special projects build timely.

4. There is no upkeep for starbases anymore. It was removed in a patch a long time ago (though the demo might still have it). In AP they invented logistics instead where only pay when you build a starbase. In GC there is no costs at all despite of the constructors and for special modules.

5. Trade for money is not possible for maso games.

#5  by Veteran Vorlin Varelse - 4/24/2006 7:58:08 AM

I can't remember ever stealing tech with espionage, but then I normally play a very tech-intensive style so that might be part of the problem. I also invest in espionage for the main purpose of avoiding a diplomatic gaffe that plunges me into an unplanned-for war.

I'm outdated on the starbase issue (it's been awhile since I played). Back during my last GalCiv session the upkeep cost had gone from 0 (original) to 5 (added via a patch). I had noticed the starbase construction cost, apparently now they've patched it so that upkeep is once again 0 but you pay a price for initial construction.

Do you know where I can find a list of the patch changes? I've got the latest version of the game, but I can't find a list of changes and clearly I need one.

I don't have AP, do you find it adds enough meat to the game to be worth the purchase?

#6  by Citizen Walldorf2000 - 4/25/2006 8:43:06 AM

Here is the link for the history file: Link

My memory for pure GC1 vanishes since I didn't play it for a long time.

For me AP was definitely worth the money. I rarely use the new ships and I don't know if I would miss logistics but two more races give a more diversified gameplay and the campaign was some good amusement.

The major advantage is that it makes it a lot easier to get these 60k for Metaverse (though I did not know that when I ordered it).

Overall it's a nice well done addon but it's not a must have.

#7  by Citizen Dirty Hairy - 5/26/2006 9:27:00 AM

#5 by Veteran Vorlin Varelse - 4/24/2006 7:58:08 AM I can't remember ever stealing tech with espionage, but then I normally play a very tech-intensive style so that might be part of the problem. I also invest in espionage for the main purpose of avoiding a diplomatic gaffe that plunges me into an unplanned-for war.

I haven't got much experience relatively, but I play an economy-heavy style and always turn off the alternate victory conditions, which requires that I crush the entire galaxy, one way or the other. Accordingly, it seemed a waste to me to have invested in extra research, when that would be useless at the end of the tech tree.

I have gained occasional techs through espionage. It happens most often when I have closed down nearly all my research late in the game (set to 1%), because there is no hurry to get Final Frontier. Instead that's when I start building Excalibers like crazy in prep for the final conflict.

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